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When the upcard is low, and the hole card was dealt from a low-value clump, the player may choose to hit rather than stand (because the dealer has two low cards​.


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Card clumping. The BS and the card counting, are based on the ideal situation, that the cards are evenly distributed in the deck or decks. When.


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"Blackjack: A Winner s Handbook discusses the problem of card clumping as it relates to short term play. Simply put, clumping wipes out the.


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Many people ask about taking advantage of card clumping in Blackjack. Card Clumping originated in with the Target (Table Reasearch, Grading and.


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Since I am so new to counting and the game, 3 months I don't have a grasp of weeding out the correct strategies from the incorrect "theories". This is faulty logic. If the individual deck portions are shuffled before the restack very common then only Shuffle Tracking gives an edge here, nothing else can be said about the relative order of the cards. I am sure that at one point when we were all new to the game, these questions came across our minds. Now we have the low cards together and the high cards together. These are not the same things. I am on the fence with this one. I had no idea until now that "clumping" was even mythology. I do agree that it is a most difficult thing to master. Rockky New Member Oct 14, Clumping I am curious why you said you "it does not". And please, Mayor, don't think that I am deliberately trying to go against the rules with this post. I can see that if the low cards are clumped that a counter would bet more due to a high count, only to lose because more low cards are coming out and now high cards. Thanks again everyone! Clumping is mythology. I hope you understand that I am in no way advocating that there even is such a thing as clumping. I don't mind questions that ask why these systems are wrong, that is not what 2 says. What's new New posts New profile posts Latest activity. That's one weed you've got to pull. I am just very new to the game and have to ask questions about topics that are hard to find info on. Could this be considered a legit form of "clumping" theory but on a primitive-cell level? What I dislike are posts that encourage or advocate this type of thinking, or in any way treat the subject as one that can lead towards an advantage. Welcome to the board, --Mayor. Likewise, you can try the topic on www. Any advice on other books that explain any advantage gained from exploiting non random shuffles? A step-latter shuffle the most common will separate cards anywhere from 1 to places apart. Search titles only. Thread starter Jay Start date Oct 14, Jay Member Oct 14, Hello, I am a new counter and I was wondering if the card clumping "theory" for multiple-deck games actually affects the counter. Log in Register. Knowing the difference I agree with you Mayor that pseudoscience and false mathematical reasoning shouldn't be encouraged. In a crowded table BJ are stacked first; then busted hands T-smallcard-T etc The simulations I've done here, and back in , should have been done by the clumpers long ago, long before they ever dreamed of trying to exploit clumps in the casinos, long before they ever dreamed to declare that clumping was real and not a perceptual artifact. Thank you all for responding, this is a very interesting subject to me. If the high cards are clumped there would be a high count prior to the clump that the counter would keep betting high on low cards. Mythology and pseudo-science cannot be promoted or encouraged. What struck me though, was in the book the words "non-random shuffle" appear over and over and seem to be the basis for being able to track aces. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. People who believe in clumping don't seem to believe the mountain of evidence that such a phenomenon does not exist. And if you throw in a strip -- well, just forget it. Members Current visitors New profile posts Search profile posts. It is the policy of this site to not allow any discussion based on mythological thinking, and yes, I get to decide what is or is not mythology. Log in. Sohrab Active Member Oct 17, A suggestion Maybe on the left side of the page in those links could be one called "blackjack myths and why they're wrong" or something and you could post simple explanations of why these things are wrong. This board is fantastic for just that purpose. Discard order is a legit advantage if you can get it to survive the shuffle in some form. Search forums. Jay Member Oct 15, Thank you for all your responses! New posts. You must log in or register to reply here.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Hope this helps. Perhaps an explanation of exactly why these beliefs are fallacies would be in order, and prevent these issues from being revisited. By not doing their homework, they got things pretty much exactly backwards, and vastly overestimated the strengths of the effects and the impact of casino shuffles on normal players and counters. Counting and card clumping? If you have any further questions about clumping, please direct them to another board. Once the clump appear both the counter and the dealer would be getting 20s, sort off. Here is one of the conditions stated under the posting guidelines for this site: 2. Or maybe you could write a roundup of the common fallacies debunked, post them here and refer offenders to the relevant section. I am not going to defend this policy or argue any more against those who think clumping works. I have not read the shuffle tracking books. A Two-pass riffle and restack very rare will separate most cards that were next to each other by at about 3 cards. I refer you to the board policy on discussing mythology on these pages. Well said I completely agree with you, the new players who have these false ideas need to be encouraged to find out the truth, not insulted for their wondering about these ideas. Excuse my ignorance Any responses appreciated! Their argument is usually that "computer simulations can't model real world casino experience. I see that the dealer picks up the busted hands first, which are typically the low cards, and the hard hands last, which are mostly the high cards, so there are now two "clumps" for lack of a better term. Being you're a professor who undoubtedly deals with students who have a tiny fraction of your innate ability and training I'm sure you're familiar with how far you have to break a problem down in order to get the message across. Thanks Mayor Yeah be easy on me guys! I don't want it on my board. When the dealer picks up all the decks to reshuffle for a new shoe, do they shuffle well enough to alleviate these clumps of low and high cards. No, it does not. You may get more tolerance for this topic at those sites. This should reduce the advantage for the counter. Clumping is pseudoscience, and will not give the player an edge. Answer If you are either card counting, tracking ace slugs, or shuffle tracking, then you may know something about the deck that tells you when you have an advantage. And if they don't, is there any proof that this really hurts us the counter? {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Forums New posts Search forums. Specifically, I play mainly DD hand shuffled games. Clumping seems to imply that you don't really need to track, just watch for some low cards to come out, as in "low follows low". But these are newbies who have no way of knowing the difference. Automatic Monkey Banned Oct 15, How about discard order? Then when someone new comes and asks we could all say "look over there". Search Advanced search…. Forums Miscellaneous Blackjack - CardCounter. As to why clumping is wrong, well, the real question is, what does "clumping" mean in the first place? Shuffle tracking works, but it is a complex and difficult subject. I believe it means that in the play of the hand, certain cards tend to be grouped an then collected together, then those same cards somehow end up close to each other through the shuffle, and then the fact that they are close can be taken advantage of the next time through the shoe. By the way, in my book, I have about 10 small chapters debunking various blackjack mythologies. Mayor, this site is a great learning tool, I appreciate it! In any other context, "clumping" is total nonsense. And so on. My question is, are there any other advantages available to players for tracking segments in the non ramdom shuffle.